tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8055484451266400578.post7013993500006116625..comments2023-05-31T03:38:36.190-07:00Comments on Tom Gruchy: "Reform Jersey" - first political party since 1204 registered on 4 July 2014 in the Royal Court - (Samedi Division on a Friday)Tom Gruchyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01384387998228996741noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8055484451266400578.post-88565969524641500792014-07-20T15:40:01.987-07:002014-07-20T15:40:01.987-07:00To the first Anonymous -
No there is no tax bene...To the first Anonymous - <br /><br />No there is no tax benefit to it. It is to get our name on the ballot paper and to be recognised as a legal entity for bank accounts etc.<br /><br />To the second Anonymous -<br /><br />The proposition to require a list of party members was lodged by PPC originally, but once a fuss was kicked up about it they changed their minds and admitted it was ill-judged. I don't know who was a member of PPC at the time.Senator Sam Mézechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04072393815446147249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8055484451266400578.post-29283996618692533622014-07-20T15:34:52.809-07:002014-07-20T15:34:52.809-07:00Anonymous,
If you want to search for legislation,...Anonymous,<br /><br />If you want to search for legislation, jerseylaw.je is the website you want to search, and if you want States propositions and debates, it's statesassembly.gov.je that you want to check.<br /><br />The political parties law is here - http://www.jerseylaw.je/law/display.aspx?url=lawsinforce/consolidated/16/16.555_PoliticalParties(Registration)Law2008_RevisedEdition_1January2009.htmSenator Sam Mézechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04072393815446147249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8055484451266400578.post-60151519988643685592014-07-13T07:09:53.454-07:002014-07-13T07:09:53.454-07:00Tom Gruchy.
Speeches from Deputy Sam Mezec and Se...Tom Gruchy.<br /><br />Speeches from Deputy Sam Mezec and Senator Philip Ozouf at yesterday's Equality Parade <a href="http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.com/2014/07/speeches-from-deputy-sam-mezec-and.html%22" rel="nofollow">HERE.</a>voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8055484451266400578.post-69427947457030056732014-07-12T08:54:42.896-07:002014-07-12T08:54:42.896-07:00Tom Gruchy.
The Jersey Equality March was a resou...Tom Gruchy.<br /><br />The Jersey Equality March was a resounding success and congratulations to all who took part.<br /><br />You, and your readers, can view a glimpse of today's event <a href="http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.com/2014/07/jersey-equality-march-1.html" rel="nofollow">HERE.</a>voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8055484451266400578.post-48630476349893732872014-07-10T07:47:10.978-07:002014-07-10T07:47:10.978-07:00Tom Gruchy.
EQUALITY PARADE.Tom Gruchy.<br /><br /><a href="http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.com/2014/07/equality-parade.html" rel="nofollow">EQUALITY PARADE.</a>voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8055484451266400578.post-53523914241479041292014-07-10T04:56:19.946-07:002014-07-10T04:56:19.946-07:00Dear Deputy Mezec,
You stated that you had "...Dear Deputy Mezec,<br /><br />You stated that you had "gone over the hansard from the original debates on a political parties register and find it just incredible, though not surprising, that they wanted not just a list of all members, but for that list to be updated every single year!"<br /><br />To clarify a point, who was recorded on Hansard as saying that "they wanted" a list of all members of a registered political party to be submitted every year?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8055484451266400578.post-38471620103366817942014-07-10T04:43:36.310-07:002014-07-10T04:43:36.310-07:00So what we are really talking about here is the re...So what we are really talking about here is the registration of Reform Jersey as a political organisation purely for tax purposes?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8055484451266400578.post-59085701703885867992014-07-09T14:51:29.843-07:002014-07-09T14:51:29.843-07:00Sorry if it isn't clear from the comments abov...Sorry if it isn't clear from the comments above but there isn't a rule stating we have to provide membership lists, it was just something that was originally suggested in 2008.<br /><br />Thankfully the States agreed to an amendment to get rid of that condition and instead require parties to submit accounts.Senator Sam Mézechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04072393815446147249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8055484451266400578.post-17002056119379600282014-07-09T11:35:43.061-07:002014-07-09T11:35:43.061-07:00Wasted a good half an hour searching the gov.je fo...Wasted a good half an hour searching the gov.je for the law regarding registration of political parties in Jersey, does anyone have a link to this legislation?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8055484451266400578.post-24530404942234212922014-07-09T08:56:35.196-07:002014-07-09T08:56:35.196-07:00yes I hope that Jersey Reform Day is celebrated th...yes I hope that Jersey Reform Day is celebrated this year as the States agreed two years ago following Deputy Pitman's proposition. My understanding is that an application has been made for the use of the Royal Square but beyond that my involvement is minimal. I have wasted enough time over the years trying to stimulate interest and when I spoke with CM Gorst recently to remind him of the States' supposed commitment he was not exactly gushing with enthusiasm. Perhaps he would be keener if we organised an event in Dubai or somewhere even further away from the scene of the historic events of 28 September 1769 to which this blog is dedicated...Tom Gruchyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01384387998228996741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8055484451266400578.post-43006609907231696072014-07-09T04:33:06.053-07:002014-07-09T04:33:06.053-07:00I hope this Reform Party do something to finally k...I hope this Reform Party do something to finally kick start the official Reform Day that former Deputy Trevor Pitman did so well to get through the States. Got any news on this, Tom?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8055484451266400578.post-22985800083141893412014-07-09T04:30:14.025-07:002014-07-09T04:30:14.025-07:00Deputy Mezec, can you kindly publish the exact wor...Deputy Mezec, can you kindly publish the exact wording that refers to the compulsory yearly register of all Reform Jersey members?<br /><br />Additionally, will you also specify where this information goes, where it is physically or digitally stored and who has access to the names of Reform Jersey Members?<br /><br />This is not good, why did you agree to it?<br /><br />Is there any way to have this membership clause removed?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8055484451266400578.post-71687407290906296042014-07-09T04:16:58.689-07:002014-07-09T04:16:58.689-07:00Deputy Sam Mezec said: "they wanted not just ...Deputy Sam Mezec said: "they wanted not just a list of all members, but for that list to be updated every single year!"<br /><br />Anon replied: A very worrying legalised feudal tool of political suppression to be weilded by the politicised Judiciary representing the interests of the Crown and City of London Corporation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8055484451266400578.post-34210911156327546512014-07-07T03:11:37.396-07:002014-07-07T03:11:37.396-07:00Of course the JDA was the first to register as a p...Of course the JDA was the first to register as a political party. Their role in history has been conveniently air-brushed out by media reporting of the Reform Jersey launch as though there were no connection. Reform Jersey will hopefully learn from the mistakes of the past. Lessons often are learnt the hard way. <br /><br />In politics there are many false starts. Like the mountaineer who climbs close to the pinnacle and then realises there is no way to the top, the only sensible option is to descend to the bottom and find a new path. This is hard and takes courage but is necessary.<br />Nick Le Cornuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14983215673635966459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8055484451266400578.post-29500853959213645652014-07-07T02:45:44.183-07:002014-07-07T02:45:44.183-07:00Thanks Trevor. I did suspect that we weren't t...Thanks Trevor. I did suspect that we weren't the first and thought it was strange when the Bailiff said we were.<br /><br />I've gone over the hansard from the original debates on a political parties register and find it just incredible, though not surprising, that they wanted not just a list of all members, but for that list to be updated every single year!<br /><br />Some of the most loyal and longstanding members of Reform Jersey were very adamant that when we reconstituted as a party they could only join if their membership was kept confidential because they did not want their employers to know!Senator Sam Mézechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04072393815446147249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8055484451266400578.post-8798503416890073912014-07-06T16:46:55.213-07:002014-07-06T16:46:55.213-07:00Sorry Mike and Sam but the JDA was the first polit...Sorry Mike and Sam but the JDA was the first political party registered and I can say this as a fact as it was me that carried out the court process. This actually took place in 2008 and did not happen in 2005 because the law had not been implemented then. As it happens in showing their clear hostility to any kind of official, organised and accountable party political moves the old PPC under the push of the former Constable of St. Clement and the late Senator Mike Vibert as I recall initially attempted to secure, as a proviso, for allowing such a law, that the JDA would have to provide for the Establishment a list of EVERY registered member (not just officials or the 20 needed to secure the process). Had it gone through no doubt all of those on the list would have soon lost their jobs or found themselves in the court on some trumped up charges. They call it the Jersey Way!Trevor Pitmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15197434138079787935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8055484451266400578.post-58014953005836431442014-07-06T08:21:07.666-07:002014-07-06T08:21:07.666-07:00Different people seem to think different things on...Different people seem to think different things on this.<br /><br />When I was in court the Bailiff said that it was the first time the 2008 law had been used. I had thought that the JDA might have been first, but didn't want to correct him.<br /><br />When I spoke to some others connected to the JDA, they said that they had registered differently (i.e. as a charity or something like that).<br /><br />Do you remember exactly what happened? Did someone from the JDA have to stand up in court and make the application?Senator Sam Mézechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04072393815446147249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8055484451266400578.post-69376595082094095712014-07-05T04:49:20.717-07:002014-07-05T04:49:20.717-07:00I am sorry to tell you that you are wrong, Tom. Th...I am sorry to tell you that you are wrong, Tom. The registration process was introduced during the life of the JDA, and probably as an attempted impediment to it, and it was the first party to register under the current law. I might still have a scan of the registration certificate on my old computer, as I published the picture on a now-defunct website.Ugh, It's Him!https://www.blogger.com/profile/06194792008692398706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8055484451266400578.post-30379851747726228092014-07-05T01:58:32.715-07:002014-07-05T01:58:32.715-07:00Anyone wanting to join Reform Jersey can be added ...Anyone wanting to join Reform Jersey can be added to the membership list by sending the following details to chairman@reformjersey.je -<br /><br />Name<br />Address<br />Date of birth<br />Telephone numbers<br />Email addressSenator Sam Mézechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04072393815446147249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8055484451266400578.post-89331321786300355922014-07-04T16:22:19.288-07:002014-07-04T16:22:19.288-07:00Some hard hitting questions here about democracy i...Some hard hitting questions here about democracy in the party that will have to be answered. <br /><br />Thanks for an effective interrogation.Nick Le Cornuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14983215673635966459noreply@blogger.com