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Saturday, November 17, 2012
Electoral States Reform - A Senator, a Constable and a Deputy...
Don't know what is going wrong today but my text has gone AWOL but this is a two part video discussion with three States Mambers - a Senator (Sara Ferguson with an all Island vote of 8,576), a Constable (Steve Pallett of St Brelade 1,999) and a Deputy (Roy Le Herissier, St Saviour 764).
If I can resolve some of the posting difficulties I will do so later but in the meantime I thank the participants for their time and Neil for his camera/ recording and we shall see what happens....
Monday, November 12, 2012
SILENCE in COURT...and most other Jersey PUBLIC HEARINGS...
For many years I have been complaining about the lack of adequate sound systems etc at public hearings.
Recently during a Royal Court trial the Commissioner (Judge) complained four or five times within an hour that she could not hear the proceedings and offered the observation that if she could not hear - "how about the people in the public gallery."
Unfortunately, there is a widespread belief in Jersey that such hearings are just private matters between the parties involved and that the "public" are just there sheltering from the rain or something similar, if they happen to turn up.
Of course the "public" presence to observe that "fair and impartial" hearings take place - justice seen and heard to be done and all that jazz - is a most essential and important part of the process.
All sorts of mischief takes place behind closed doors and we all know what can be hidden when the States goes into "in camera" session, as it all too often does. Not just in the main assembly either - but in all those Scrutiny meetings etc under "closed to the public" rules that are ever more common these days.
So it's not just about poor sound systems for the public. If the Judge cannot hear and the parties are missing important words then the whole notion of "hearings" is made farcical but the ability of the media to report fully and accurately on these public matters is also made much more difficult - thus "free expression" and "exchange of information" is also in danger.
But there is much more to the notion of "hearings in public" because in Jersey it is often virtually impossible to know where and when "public hearings" are to take place.
Thus until I complained, there was no public notification of "inquests". Now they are listed on the electronic notice board inside the lobby of the main entrance to the Royal courts building.
This is totally inadequate of course - as is the other information on this board regarding court hearings but it is a START. I have asked for this information to be enhanced and put on-line as a further improvment but that will still be an inadequate service of public notification.
Hearings that cannot be heard and public tribunals that take place without prior public notification are the stuff of repressive regimes the world over. In Jersey I suppose it is just the result of incompetence on a good day but the suspicion that our government and administration deliberately seeks to hide these things from public gaze and attention must be considered.
Of course, there are international standards and test cases have been heard at the European Court of Human Rights on the conduct of "public hearings" but we all know that the Jersey government does not treat such human rights standards with much seriousness.
The range of "public hearings" that take place in Jersey with usually defective standards is extensive.
Even the hearings in the newly built Magistrates' Court are difficult to hear from the "public seats" behind the glass barrier. The Victorian barn that is the main Royal court is a total disgrace as is the converted "Old Library" where most of the speaking is aimed towards a distant judge and away from the plebs.
But who knows what cases are actually scheduled to take place unless the JEP happens to mention it beforehand?
And, when did you ever hear beforehand about a Social Security appeal or an Employment Tribunal and would you have any idea when and where these take place or whether you can attend?
Even Complaints Boards against administrative decisions of States Departments are hardly ever advertised and their location moves all around the Island at the whim of who knows who......
The current Electoral Commission hearings are an ongoing case in point. Until I complained that the sound systems were inadequate and that the hearings were poorly advertised nobody seems to have considered the requirements to make these fully "public". Now of course the Parish hearings have excellent sound systems - so it can be done - but there should be a minimum, standard specification applied as routine for ALL such events.
As things stand, the JEP receives over £300,000 per annum so we are told in public advertising including the "Gazette" official notices section. This clearly is an incomplete service since it does not advertise most public "hearings" that are due to take place. Senator Ozouf really should curtail this waste of public money and bring this information service back within the governments domain and control.
ALL public hearings and meetings should - at least - be advertsied on an official Gazette on-line site on the States gov.je facility. The current gov.je information is incomplete, haphazard and often difficult to find (even for those that are aware if it exists).
The former Greffe bookshop - now laughingly called the "States Information Centre" needs to be a centralised source of printed information of all public hearings and Parish Halls too could provide similar facilities.
It is not good enough to shrug shoulders and say that only a few people ever turn up to occupy the public seats at hearings. Public participation is impossible without prior notification and frustrated by lack of proper facilities.
The e-mails copied above are recent exchanges with States Greffier Michael De La Mare.
Left click on the images to enlarge them
As he writes, the responsibility to improve standards for ALL public hearings and tribunanls rests with nobody in particular.
I have today copied the exchange of e-mails to ALL States Members.
So far I have received one acknowledgement and two "out of office" responses.
However, it is early days and only two centuries since Tom Gruchy and his friends sought similar reforms...
Tuesday, November 6, 2012
Senator Lyndon Farnham speaks - but is anybody listening?
Two videos.
Top video recorded today - Senator Farnham expresses his views on the Electoral Commission proposals.
Lower video - recorded during the Senatorial Elections - Lyndon Farnham's election address.
His remarks on the role of Senators etc occur at about 2.5 minutes into this recording.
Nothing much more to say here, the Senator speaks clearly enough.
But the defects in the EC proposals are becoming ever more visibly flawed.
How many States Members will decide to dump the Constables from the States - with or without a public "mandate" - before this reaches the referendum stage?
Following the Trinity Electoral Commission meeting these two videos have been added to this post.
Commission members Dr Renouf (of BBC Newsnight fame) and Constable Gallichan offer their words of wisdom on the role of Senators as seen by the Commission and on "apples and pears" as seen by the Commission and Constable Gallichan in particular.
For some reason Ms Gallichan and I cannot agree why it is unfair (in my view) to divide the Island up into 6 "super constituencies" of 12,000 voters each yet allow them to elect 5 "deputies" each (OK) but different numbers of Constables.
According to Plan B of the Commission, if Constables remain in the States, St Helier will be divided into 2 "super constituencies" (St H No1 and St H No2) of 12,000 voters each but will return 5 Deputies each and only 1 Constable (ie half to each).
On the other hand the "country parishes" will be grouped together into four conglomerate "super parishes"- St Clement, Grouville and St Martin (5 Deputies plus 3 Constables) - St Lawrence, St John, St Mary and St Ouen (5 Deputies plus 4 Constables) - St Brelade and St Peter (5 Deputies plus 2 Constables) - St Saviour and Trinity (5 Deputies plus 2 Constables).
I must be crazy but according to my seaweed fuelled calculator this means that 12,000 voters in the St Lawrence/St Mary etc super constituency will return 5 plus 4 = 9 states members in total whereas the 12,000 voters of St H No1 (or No2) will only return 5 plus a half Constable.
The other country parishes are also joined together so that they will each have either 7 or 8 elected representatives in the States. The residents of St Helier No1 and 2 will be totally out-gunned in the States.
I cannot see how that is fair and it will make the north-south democratic divide even more in favour of the super-privileged and socially favoured "country parishes" against the town parish of St Helier.
Obviously, the simple solution is NOT to allow Constables to remain in the States and to adopt Plan A of the two only options offered by the Commission. That is 6 super "constituencies" of 7 elected Deputies.
My other concern (answered here only by Constable Gallichan again - not Mr Renouf) is about the 20,000 people with housing and work quals who live outside Jersey but for the most part do not have the right to vote here at all. Clearly this number is far in excess of the 12,000 in "super constituencies" now proposed by the Commission - but whilst people all over the world can vote in their "own country" elections if they live somewhere else, this is not allowed in Jersey.
Of course "housing quals" is the nearest Jersey has to the concept of nationality but since it is now possible for foreign nationals to vote in Jersey after just two years residence and it is likely that they will be able to stand for election on that basis soon too - why cannot those non-residents with quals vote at all?
If prisoners at La Moye also gain the vote soon, the Gallichan stance against non-resident voters must be seen as absurd. Obviously, another 20,000 potential voters will be very worrying to those who want to retain a strict control on Jersey democracy!
Monday, November 5, 2012
The Privy Council - Jersey's ancient second chamber still active in 2012...
Click on the images above for a better view - but they are rather feint.
Just to show that old relationships with the UK are still alive in 2012, I post these two decisions from the Privy Council in response to a petition sent on 30 July 2011.
The matters petitioned about were the new Housing and Work (J) Law and the Register of Names and Addresses (J) law which will now be activated after next February.
"Any person" studying the proposed laws would/should be concerned about the possible Human Rights implications of these laws but in an Island where the rights of "outsiders" are secondary to the perceived privileges of so called "locals" such discrimination does not raise many eyebrows. But of course these laws will have profound implications for everybody in the Island who is not already tucked into a comfortable grave.
That it has not attracted much sympathy from the Privy Council is not surprising either since this is hardly a democratically elected body with a sharpened perception of the protection of rights - either in the Channel Islands or the more far flung outposts of the old empire.
Now it is fullspeed ahead to implement these absurd laws and we shall all soon be carrying our very own personal ID cards which will declare our housing and work status and where we live besides all sort of other hidden data no doubt over time.
The Corporate Services Panel under Chair Sen Ferguson has already put a Part 2 review of these proposals on its agenda (which TOR can be seen on their scrutiny.gov.je site) but there is no intention, as yet, to invite public comment or participation.
We should ALL be very concerned. To save anybody actually waking too quickly from their slumbers the other members of the Panel are:
Deputies Reed , Rondel and Power, and Constables Murphy
Why not give them a call and ask for further informtions about the review and how this legislation will affect YOU....on the other hand, what's on telly tonight.
Thursday, October 18, 2012
Cyril, Che, Spartacus...standing up to be counted in JERSEY
Cyril Vibert interview 18 October 2012.
"A long habit of not thinking something wrong gives it the superficial appearance of being right..."
We have all been annoyed at being fined for some trivial matter such as not displaying a parking disc or not filling in some official form or other before the deadline.
It's not that we have intended to break any law but we are sometimes treated as "criminals" just for a simple lapse of memory. Nobody is a victim. There is no loss or injury but somehow the "system" demands that we should be punished and/or inconvenienced and we have all wondered why? What really is the purpose of imposing a "criminal" sanction on otherwise innocent people trying to cope with our ever more complex style of life?
For Cyril a parking ticket or "notice" in St Helier was the last straw and he began wondering why should he have to respond at all - who has dreamed up this complex charade of pseudo contracts, obligations, fines and other impositions?
Here he explains his thinking and why he is challenging the obscure legal mumbo jumbo that surrounds so much that passes for "justice" in and out of the court system.
Most of us just pay the fine, grumble a bit, but don't make a fuss.
Fortunately, people like Cyril come along from time to time to challenge the validity of entrenched practices and procedures. During his most recent Magistrates' Court hearing (although as with all Jersey courts the "hearing" system is not very good for the public to follow matters easily) it was obvious that his words are being noted. The Magistrate (as discussed in this video interview) was outspoken in her criticisms of the behaviour of the States' Police officers who knocked on his door demanding information. So critical indeed that their charges were quashed - but who will have learned from this experience? There was no "accredited media" presence during the hearing so presumably the lessons will not be learned by the general public - but how about the 240 or so officers of the States Police or the 250 Jersey lawyers who will be advising their future clients....?
As Cyril says there is much more to this than mere "parking fines" - the challenge he makes is to the very roots and presumptions that prop-up judicial credibility here and elsewhere...
Wednesday, October 10, 2012
Jersey political heroes - more dead than alive...?
Abraham Jones Le Cras – where are you now? Your Island needs you!
Like so many born outside Jersey , Abraham Le Cras believed in and campaigned for political and social reform in the Bailiwick over many years during the 19th century.
He was probably a spin-off from the very wealthy merchant and naval family (such as Noah Le Cras) which had Jersey links but lived mostly in England in the 18th century - but Abraham personally often struggled to scrape a living.
Abraham was born in Salisbury (Hants) during1798 and died in Jersey in 1869.
The short video above records an attempt to identify for certain his grave in Green Street cemetery this week.
It is somewhat ironic that he lies amongst the graves of many political campaigners and refugees from all over Europe that came to rest in Jersey during the reign of Victoria – but that is another tale that somebody should research and publish on…especially if the proposed new Police HQ is likely to bury any of the evidence…
That there is some uncertainty over his final resting place is typical of the official Jersey attitude towards reformers and we have just passed by 28 September – the anniversary of Jersey ’s revolution in 1769 – yet again with no official acknowledgement of its importance.
We know that the official entry for 28 September was officially scribbled out of the official court records in 1769 and this simple act is typical of the controlling of the record and our memory of the history of the Island that continues to this day.
There is still an Island attitude that favours an “official” view of events whether this might be the Occupation or the image of the modern finance industry.
As in 1769 or during Abraham Le Cras’ lifetime, to speak out or to offer a different or challenging point of view is still likely to invite official condemnation or ridicule.
Thus many years after Le Cras had died it was just too painful for Jersey’s celebrated “historian“ (and man of God) the Reverend Balleine to put aside his own prejudices in order to assess Abraham for his volume on “Jersey Bibliographies” wherein Le Cras was dismissed as an AGITATOR.
He was physically attacked on several occasions in the Streets of St Helier and is still dismissed today as a political crank by “the establishment” for his views that rubbished the status of “King John’s Charter” (still the foundation of Jersey’s Constitution according to the Senator Sir Philip Bailhache) or the powers of the States’ claim to be an independent “government”.
During his busy life, Abraham carried out the most extensive research into the history and constitution of Jersey and the other Channel Islands . How he gained access to many of the original documents is a mystery (bearing in mind that even the States was closed to the public). But some of his original writing survives in Le Societé and Public libraries along with examples of the several newspapers that he published from the appropriately named Hope Street in St Helier .
Now, there is a great deal posted about him and his career on the Internet – just Google Abraham Le Cras to enter a different world where the bravery of this man during a life-long campaign can be glimpsed.
Don’t expect such information to be offered in oven-ready, easy to swallow format here.
If YOU are interested to discover it is now possible to read on-line his 1839 book on “The Laws, Customs and Privileges and their Administration in the Island of Jersey ”. This contains his 52 Articles Petition to the UK Parliament seeking REFORM and be amazed how so much of this is bang-on relevant for Jersey TODAY.
It is even possible to purchase on-line a facsimile “print to order” copy of this book (he published others too) which is still a valuable source of relevant information about Jersey and its institutions. Then he wrote that the purpose of his 1839 petition and book was to expose;
“…the scandalous laws of Jersey and the wretched way in which they are administered in the fervent hope that it will provoke enquiry and be the means of causing such abuses as shall be proved to exist, to be forthwith reformed…”
The States of Jersey he decided then "has become a useless body"so just what would he have made of today's shower?
So, don’t just sit there doing nothing in 2012 or wishing for somebody else to complain on YOUR behalf.
If you believe that Jersey government, the courts, legal system and their administration need REFORM it is still possible to petition the Privy Council, or the UK Parliament or have an input in the Jersey Electoral Commission or to lobby States’ Members or join a political or campaigning group….Abraham Le Cras would be amazed at the ease with which we can access information today and the failure of so many to put such a facility to good use.
Just because Abraham is now sleeping is no excuse for YOU to do nothing….
Wednesday, October 3, 2012
PIRRWITZ v AI and PI - the most expensive Jersey show for years...
Pirrwitz v AI and PI in the Jersey Court
If you need the services of a Jersey lawyer to give advice on some simple legal dispute, the chances are that you will not bother to ask. At least, not unless you meet a friendly lawyer in the pub and manage to extract some “pro bono” words of wisdom over an orange juice.
In other circumstances, as we know too well it’s not just the oranges that get squeezed by or for our particularly avaricious legal eagles’ pleasure or reward. Even the simplest legal consultation costs many hundreds of pounds and the experience is usually unpleasant.
So when I dropped into the “Old Library” Royal Court recently to see what the case of Pirrwitz v AI and PI was all about I was amazed to observe that there were eight or ten of the super expensive vultures busily pecking away at some obscure financial skeletons.
Besides which there was the Deputy Bailiff with two Jurats, all dressed up in their finest red robes, as well as the court Greffier and ushers. There were also a couple of anonymous men in suits – who might have been more lawyers – sitting at one of the tables and there was also the well dressed witness, under cross-examination. He claimed professional qualifications and expertise (but not in law) and spoke with a “foreign” accent and mostly about euros. Although he did mention a board meeting over dinner at the Longueville Manor in Jersey and others in Vienna, Turkey and Bratislava…
All in all, this was a very expensive show to put on just for my benefit as the only member of the general public present and this apparently went on for the whole week, morning and afternoon. When the court adjourned at 5 pm on Friday and one counsel enquired “when it might end?” (feeling fees fatigue perhaps?) we learned that yet more expert witnesses were being flown in from Italy on Monday, that the current witness might as well stay for the weekend because he too would be required again - and the case would go on at least until Wednesday…
So plenty more lovely fees to be paid yet by somebody and no doubt there would be much wining and dining at chic places in anticipation of a good result for one party or another in the fullness of time…and the “court costs” must be horrendous too. So this must be the benefit for Jersey ?
So far as I am aware, there was no press presence – I presume that this is just an everyday case of no particular importance in the world of Jersey finance.
So not of local interest then?
However, this case that has mysteriously come to roost in this odd little jurisdiction (although the matters complained have little of nothing to do with the Island or its residents) has been reported-on quite extensively overseas.
The following extract is typical and serves to outline what has been going on with the management of these “publicly quoted” AI and PI companies, out of sight and out of mind of any Jersey regulation or concern although JFSC is supposed to have looked at some dubious dealings here in the past.
Jersey Advocates Collas Crill describe their involvement on their own website as a complex landmark “Dispute resolution” case with Advocates Nuno Costa and Danny Le Maistre leading their team in cooperation with Latham & Watkins of London and Wolf Theis of Vienna on behalf of Meini Bank AG (Austria) etc.
Unfortunately the sound systems in Jersey courts must be designed to prevent the public hearing what is going on but there is a cast of many millions (in fees) who have been milking these “two Jersey investment funds” for years - although they are due to be wound up (and presumably buried) this October (according to unflattering reports in the Telegraph and other well known scandal sheets).
Crill Canavan and Carey Olsen seem to have been the principal Jersey firms with a managing interest in the funds.
During the “hearing” one witness suggested that the annual management fees were as much as 10 millions euros for each fund so if this sort of money came the way of Jersey lawyers- well it indicates the scale of the case.
Local boy Richard Boleat’s involvements were also frequently referred to – and his finance profile is visible on the NET…
Bjorn Pirrwitz who was a non executive director for just a few months but collected huge fees is suing for the non-payment of 1.3 million euros which he claims is due to him as an “Ogley” payment or “exit fee” regardless of whether he fell or was pushed…
This is the wonderful world of finance with its smelly and sordid entrails exposed to public gaze – but it is just not being reported in Jersey .
Today (Wednesday) is the final scheduled day in the Jersey “Old Library” Court – so catch it if you can.
The report from FORMAT trend “the portal for business and money” that follows has been translated from a German original on-line, but the meaning is clear enough.
AI and PI as a self-service store: Board members collect exorbitant salaries
- Björn Pirrwitz klagt PI und AI auf 1,3 Millionen Euro Björn Pirrwitz complains PI and AI to 1.3 million Euros
- Vilsmeiers Monatslohn beläuft sich auf 30.000 Euro Vilsmeiers monthly wage amounts to 30,000 euros
Die Klage eines früheren Boardmitglieds der Meinl-Nachfolgegesellschaften zeichnet ein unschönes Sittenbild. The action brought by a former board member of Meinl's successor companies paints an ugly portrait of manners. Die Rebellen gönnten sich absurde Gehälter. The rebels gave themselves ridiculous salaries.
Sie sind mit dem Anspruch angetreten, für mehr Transparenz zu sorgen und die Abzocke durch die Meinl Bank zu beenden: die sogenannten Rebellen, die bei Meinl Airports International im Juli des Vorjahres und bei Meinl International Power im darauf folgenden Herbst die Macht übernommen haben. They are with the claim set out to provide more transparency and end the rip-off by Meinl Bank: the so-called rebels, who have taken over from Meinl Airports International in July of last year and at Meinl International Power in the following autumn the power. Heute sieht das eher nach Lippenbekenntnissen aus. Today, it looks more like lip service. Denn auch die neuen Herren dürften die beiden Firmen, die heute Airports International (AI) und Power International (PI) heißen, als Selbstbedienungsladen betrachten. Even the new masters should consider the two companies, which are now called Airports International (AI) and Power International (PI), as a self-service store. Klage eingebracht Action introduced
Aus einer Klage des ehemaligen Boardmitglieds Björn Pirrwitz (im Bild links) , die FORMAT exklusiv vorliegt, lässt sich dies jedenfalls ableiten. From a lawsuit by former board member Björn Pirrwitz (pictured left), which is present exclusively FORMAT, this can in any case be derived. Pirrwitz, der im April dieses Jahres aus den Gesellschaften – nicht ganz freiwillig – ausschied, fordert von PI 700.000 Euro und von AI 600.000 Euro „Exit Payment“. Pirrwitz that in April this year from the companies - not entirely voluntary - retired calls from PI 700,000 euros and 600,000 euros from AI "exit payment". In der Klage beruft sich Pirrwitz auf ein Agreement mit dem ebenfalls letzte Woche ausgeschiedenen Chairman Wolfgang Vilsmeier. The lawsuit cites Pirrwitz an agreement last week with the also retiring Chairman Wolfgang Vilsmeier. Dieses legt die Summen fest, die bei Abwahl oder Ausscheiden eines Boardmitglieds ausgezahlt werden. This sets out the amounts that are paid for deselection or resignation of a Board member. Im Falle von Pirrwitz also insgesamt saftige 1,3 Millionen Euro. In the event of a total Pirrwitz hefty 1.3 million euros. Und das für gerade einmal neun Monate Tätigkeit in den Gesellschaften. And for a mere nine months of activity in the companies. Damit aber nicht genug: In zwei weiteren Klagen fordert Pirrwitz beim Gericht in Jersey Überstundennachzahlungen für März 2009, seinen letzten Arbeitsmonat. But that's not all: In two other lawsuits Pirrwitz asks the Court in
Fürstliche Entlohnung Princely reward
Die Anzahl der Überstunden resultiert aus einem Anfang März 2009 neu festgelegten Vergütungsschema für beide Firmen. The number of overtime resulted from a early March 2009 redefined compensation scheme for both companies. Dieses sieht für jedes Boardmitglied eine monatliche Vergütung von 12.500 Euro vor – pro Gesellschaft, versteht sich. This provides for each Board member a monthly salary of 12,500 euros - per company, of course. Ergibt also ein Fixum von 25.000. Therefore results in a fixed amount of 25,000. Chairman Vilsmeier kassierte noch etwas mehr, nämlich insgesamt 30.000 Euro pro Monat. Chairman Vilsmeier conceded something more, namely a total of 30,000 euros per month. Für diesen Betrag mussten die Rebellen allerdings nur fünf Tage pro Monat arbeiten. For this amount, the rebels had to work only five days a month. Für jeden Wochentag darüber hinaus kassierten die Herren zusätzliche 2.000 Euro, für jeden Tag am Wochenende 3.000 Euro. For each day beyond conceding Messrs. additional 2,000 euros for each day on the weekend 3,000 euros. Wobei in diesem Schema ein Tag nur mit genau acht Stunden berechnet wird. And in this scheme, a day will be charged only with exactly eight hours. Allein im März 2009 hätte Pirrwitz also mehr als 81.000 Euro für 243 Arbeitsstunden verdient: ein Stundenlohn von 330 Euro, der so manchen Vorstand österreichischer Großkonzerne alt aussehen lässt. Only in March 2009 Pirrwitz would thus earn more than 81,000 euros for 243 hours of work as an hourly wage of 330 euros, which can look like some old Board of Austrian corporations. Auf 243 Arbeitsstunden kommt ein fleißigerer Abteilungsleiter in einem normalen Unternehmen auch, aber nur auf ein Zehntel dieser Gage. To 243 working hours fleißigerer Head comes in a normal business, but only a tenth of this fee. Geht man davon aus, dass die anderen Boardmitglieder ähnliche Arbeitsleistungen wie ihr Kollege Pirrwitz erbringen (bzw. erbrachten), ergibt das Jahresgehälter in der Größenordnung von rund einer Million für die Manager von AI und PI. Assuming that the other board members to provide similar kinds of labor as their colleague Pirrwitz (or services), the annual salary is in the range of about one million for the managers of AI and PI. Aber die Aktionäre können sich trösten: Im Oktober hat das Schauspiel ein Ende, die Gesellschaften werden dann aufgelöst. But the shareholders can console themselves: In October, the drama is over, the company will then be dissolved.
Von Andreas Lampl und Angelika Kramer By Andreas Lampl and Angelika Kramer
Im Bild (vl): Björn Pirrwitz, Hans-Peter Dohr und Wolfgang Vilsmeier In the photo (from left): Björn Pirrwitz, Hans-Peter Dohr and Wolfgang Vilsmeier
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